{"id":514946,"date":"2023-02-08T03:39:00","date_gmt":"2023-02-08T02:39:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/?p=857074"},"modified":"2025-03-13T08:34:20","modified_gmt":"2025-03-13T07:34:20","slug":"cloud-realities-the-role-of-leadership","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/se-en\/2023\/02\/08\/cloud-realities-the-role-of-leadership\/","title":{"rendered":"Cloud Realities: The role of leadership"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<header class=\"wp-block-cg-blocks-hero-blogs header-hero-blogs\"><div class=\"container\"><div class=\"hero-blogs\"><div class=\"hero-blogs-content-wrapper\"><div class=\"row\"><div class=\"col-12\"><div class=\"header-title\"><h1>Cloud Realities: The role of leadership<\/h1><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"hero-blogs-bottom\"><div class=\"header-author\"><div class=\"author-img\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/se-en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/20\/2022\/11\/Dave-Chapman-2-1.jpg?w=960?w=200&amp;quality=10\" alt=\"\" loading=\"lazy\"\/><\/div><div class=\"author-name-date\"><h5 class=\"author-name\">Dave Chapman<\/h5><h5 class=\"blog-date\">8 Feb 2023<\/h5><\/div><\/div><div class=\"brand-image\"> <\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/header>\n\n\n\n<section class=\"wp-block-cg-blocks-intro-para undefined section section--intro\"><div class=\"intro-para\"><div class=\"container\"><div class=\"row\"><div class=\"col-12 col-md-1\"><nav class=\"article-social\"><ul class=\"social-nav\"><li class=\"ip-order-fb\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer\/sharer.php?u=https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/se-en\/2023\/02\/08\/cloud-realities-the-role-of-leadership\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" title=\"opens in a new window\"><i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"icon-fb\"><\/i><span class=\"sr-only\">Facebook<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"ip-order-li\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/sharing\/share-offsite\/?url=https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/se-en\/2023\/02\/08\/cloud-realities-the-role-of-leadership\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" title=\"opens in a new window\"><i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"icon-li\"><\/i><span class=\"sr-only\">Linkedin<\/span><\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div><div class=\"col-12 col-md-11 col-lg-10\"><h2 class=\"intro-para-title\">Welcome to the second season of our Cloud Realities series, in which we explore the practical and exciting alternate realities that can be unleashed through cloud driven transformation.<\/h2><p class=\"intro-para-content\">In one of our early episodes, we caught up with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/alastairkidd\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Alastair Kidd<\/a>, a systemic leadership sherpa, to talk about how leadership styles and intentional leadership choices are critical to driving new value from the cloud.<br>\u00a0<br>As part of our discussion, we touched on the real role of leadership and the current perception of a leader as someone to bring into the fold when things are going wrong; an expert that will have all the answers, be able to untie the project knots, and be the ultimate savior. In essence, leaders are bought in to provide clarity to chaos.<br>\u00a0<br>But, as a leader you not only have to be asking whether the task is too big, whether there\u2019s enough time, and if there\u2019s enough budget, but also whether you feel empowered to fulfill the opportunity. This is equally a personal development journey for any individual taking on the role.<br>\u00a0<br>For this discussion we talk a lot about the cynefin framework \u2013 a model to distinguish ways of making decisions, approaching a situation, and navigating through complexity \u2013 <a href=\"https:\/\/hbr.org\/2007\/11\/a-leaders-framework-for-decision-making\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">once outlined by David Snowden<\/a>. Let\u2019s dive in.<\/p><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/section>\n\n\n\n<section class=\"wp-block-cg-blocks-group undefined section section--article-content\"><div class=\"article-main-content\"><div class=\"container\"><div class=\"row\"><div class=\"col-12 col-md-11 col-lg-10 offset-md-1 offset-lg-1\"><div class=\"article-text article-quote-text\">\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-life-outside-the-matrix\"><strong>Life outside the Matrix<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>We see that a lot of organizations struggle with cloud transformation, more so, a lot of agile projects that aren\u2019t in fact agile at all. There are a lot of restrictions in these situations that companies are finding particularly challenging and a sense that agile cloud transformation is the answer to complexity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But in an effort to find simplicity, leaders and teams will run into greater struggles if they stick with the same, traditional approach \u2013 focusing on the tools and tick boxes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Operating with the cynefin framework can at first feel like Neo coming out of the Matrix \u2013 recognizing that you\u2019re functioning in one reality but actually the situation requires a wholly different framing and understanding of what\u2019s going on. Once you have this as a framing mechanism you can see very quickly why things are working or not and that there are alternative, more effective ways of reaching the goal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-fight-or-flight\"><strong>Fight or flight?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>When thinking about the world in which these transformations are existing now it\u2019s only layering complexity on complexity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But navigating these situations requires creativity and patience. They demand a clear and logical approach in order to move forwards. However, when we\u2019re right in the middle of complexity it activates our fight or flight response \u2013 the opposite reaction needed when trying to find a solution or logical response when things go wrong.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For Alistair, his advice here is to: \u201cslow down, and breathe\u201d. An essential step for leaders on this journey is getting to know their own minds, noticing what\u2019s happening, slowing down their automatic responses, and navigating their emotions so that they can be genuinely present in complexity and less susceptible to fight or flight reactions.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In allowing themselves to do this, leaders can change their mindset from \u201cI either succeed or fail in the complicated world, to I will experiment and learn\u201d.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, let\u2019s take a step back, come out of the Matrix and re-frame our reality before making our next decision.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/insights\/research-library\/cloud-realities-podcast\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/prod.ucwe.capgemini.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Cloud-realities-banners_1080x1080-1-1.jpg?w=960\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-857299\" style=\"width:240px;height:240px\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Can\u2019t wait until the next blog and want to hear more? Listen to the full <a href=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/insights\/research-library\/cloud-realities-podcast\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">episodes<\/a>, featuring our own Dave Chapman, Sjoukje Zaal, and Rob Kernahan.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/section>\n\n\n\n<section class=\"wp-block-cg-blocks-wrapper-people-slider section section--expert-slider wrapper-people-slider undefined\"><div class=\"container\"><div class=\"content-title\"><h3 data-maxlength=\"34\">Authors<\/h3><\/div><\/div><div class=\"slider slider-boxed\"><div class=\"container\"><div class=\"slider-window\"><div class=\"slider-list\">\n\t\t<div class=\"slide\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"box\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"row\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"col-md-6 col-lg-4 box-img-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/se-en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/20\/2022\/11\/Dave-Chapman-2-1.jpg\" alt=\"Dave Chapman\"\/>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"col-md-6 col-lg-8 box-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"row title-social-media-header\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"col-md-12 col-lg-6 mbl-social-icon\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"social-nav\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li><a aria-label=\"Linkedin\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/chapmandr\/\"><i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"icon-li\"><\/i><\/a><\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"col-md-12 col-lg-6 box-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"box-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"people-profile-title\">Dave Chapman<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span>VP Cloud Evangelist at\u00a0ÎÚÑ»´«Ã½<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"col-md-12 col-lg-6 social-box-container dkt-social-icon\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"social-nav\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li><a aria-label=\"Linkedin\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/chapmandr\/\"><i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"icon-li\"><\/i><\/a><\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"people-info\">Dave has nearly 30 years of global experience in strategic development, transformation,\u00a0program\u00a0delivery and operations. In his role as Chief Cloud Evangelist at\u00a0ÎÚÑ»´«Ã½, he helps\u00a0clients\u00a0anticipate and tackle the challenges and opportunities presented by the largest and most complex cloud transformations. He has advised and coached IT leaders in all sectors and worked with them in solving leadership, strategic transformation, and execution\/value\u00a0realization\u00a0challenges. Additionally, Dave was part of the senior leadership team at Cloudreach, he established and led the Digital Foundations\u00a0program\u00a0at BP, and has worked as CxO in public sector and enterprise FMCG. Dave was also the co-creator and co-host of well-known industry podcast, \u2018Cloudbusting\u2019. He is told he spends far too much on hi-fi and vinyl.<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"slide\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"box\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"row\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"col-md-6 col-lg-4 box-img-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/se-en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/20\/2021\/05\/Sjoukje-Zaal-5.jpg\" alt=\"Sjoukje Zaal\"\/>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"col-md-6 col-lg-8 box-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"row title-social-media-header\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"col-md-12 col-lg-6 mbl-social-icon\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"social-nav\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li><a aria-label=\"Linkedin\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/sjoukjezaal\/\"><i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"icon-li\"><\/i><\/a><\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"col-md-12 col-lg-6 box-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"box-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"people-profile-title\">Sjoukje Zaal<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span>Chief Technology Officer, Data &amp; AI Europe, ÎÚÑ»´«Ã½<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"col-md-12 col-lg-6 social-box-container dkt-social-icon\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"social-nav\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li><a aria-label=\"Linkedin\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/sjoukjezaal\/\"><i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"icon-li\"><\/i><\/a><\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"people-info\">Sjoukje Zaal is European CTO for ÎÚÑ»´«Ã½ &#038; Data at ÎÚÑ»´«Ã½, where she shapes strategy on data, AI, multi-cloud, and digital trust across industries. With more than 20 years of experience in technology and architecture leadership, she is a published author, keynote speaker, and mentor with a strong commitment to responsible AI, inclusion, and developing the next generation of tech leaders.<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"slide\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"box\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"row\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"col-md-6 col-lg-4 box-img-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.capgemini.com\/se-en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/20\/2023\/01\/Rob-Kernahan-1.jpg\" alt=\"Rob Kernahan\"\/>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"col-md-6 col-lg-8 box-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"row title-social-media-header\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"col-md-12 col-lg-6 mbl-social-icon\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"social-nav\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li><a aria-label=\"Linkedin\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/rob-kernahan\/\"><i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"icon-li\"><\/i><\/a><\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"col-md-12 col-lg-6 box-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"box-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"people-profile-title\">Rob Kernahan<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span>Chief Architect for Cloud and a Global SME on Cloud Technology, Data and IT Operating Models<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"col-md-12 col-lg-6 social-box-container dkt-social-icon\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"social-nav\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li><a aria-label=\"Linkedin\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/rob-kernahan\/\"><i aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"icon-li\"><\/i><\/a><\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"people-info\">Rob is a member of the ÎÚÑ»´«Ã½ CTO group as UK Chief Architect for Cloud and a Global SME on Cloud Technology, Data and IT Operating Models. 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